no me gusta nada 678, no lo soporto, tampoco a los K.
pero q gobierno no ha tenido un canal o programa q plantea lo q se le dio la gana, tergiversó todo lo q se le ocurrió, e hizo funcionar como auto-spot publicitario???
y si alguno no lo logró tan bien como estos K, es pq no fueron tan capaces como este matrimonio
Sobreactuado, y bajo también, periodísticamente berreta, realmente irreconocible Lanata, cada vez más, y eso que ya venía derrapando hace tiempo…
La mención de Goebbels, la descalificación de los periodistas de 678, “ese chico que conduce su antecedente periodístico es haber trabajado en un programa mío”, “A Sandra Russo la llevé yo a Página 12”, después la descalificación de la protesta en los secundarios, la mención a Víctor Hugo como prensa oficialista, la negación de Papel Prensa (“el invento ese”… ¡boludo, se chuparon gente para chorearse la empresa, aunque sea tené la consideración de esperar a que se expida la justicia, para ser tan terminante!) y por último la nota esa del país que es una huevada enorme.
Si tanto le preocupan los chicos que deje de exagerar.
Todo lo que critica de 678 es adjudicable a él. Y justamente 678 tiene cosas que son una mierda. Pero así no hay posibilidad de diálogo. Que se cague, Lanata.
Repetir una mentira hasta que se torna verdad.
“Hay uno que se llama Cabito, que no sé quién carajo es” :lol:
Que asco que me dan los programas sobrepagados de Gvirtz.
Lo malo que se hizo TVR no tiene nombre. Completamente politizado un programa que se dedica a sacar partes de notas y derivados. Una verguenza
A ver …
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El ataque de 678 a Lanata me parece una pelotudez totalmente injustificada. Tuvo tres cuatro frases, como mínimo, desafortunadas, bastante, pero eso no lo pone ni remotamente en pie de igualdad con Mariano Grondona o Morales Solá.
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La reacción de Lanata desprestigiando a algunos de los que lo critican, es bastante lamentable también:
Tognetti: “el chico que le hizo la nota al travesti”
Barone: “el pobre viejo que la chupó trabajando para Clarin durante toda la dictadura”
Sandra Russo: “la lleve yo a Pagina12”
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La asociación “repetición = Goebbeles” es algo terriblemente traído de los pelos que no resiste el menor análisis. 678 es repetitivo. Sí. Mucho, cansa. Ahora, agarrarme de eso para hacer una asociación con el mayor propagandista del nazismo … es un poco muy mucho.
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Criticar las tomas de los colegios, tratando a los alumnos de “boludos que están siendo utilizados”, es también impresentable. Actitudes como esta son las que lo llevan a ponerse a la altura de Feinmann, uno espera más de un tipo como Lanata.
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Estar tan obsesionado por como nos ven afuera, es netamente un cliché de pelotudo. Ya Jaurteche escribió bastante al respeto de estas zonceras. Lo mismo, la generalización de “afuera se nos cagan de risa”. MENTIRA. Preguntá en Brasil si se nos cagan de risa. Preguntá en el resto de los países de Latinoamérica. Los del diario de España, que se sigan cagando de risa todo lo que quieran. En los 90 nos respetaban, porque eramos un país serio.
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Calificar de “excelente” esa berretada de carta posteada en el otro thread, que hasta a los que no simpatizan con el gobierno les pareción una porquería, también deja bastante que desear sobre su criterio.
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Se dedica a criticar a Tristán Bauer por el título de una película sobre el Che de la cual no tiene la menor idea de qué va a tratar, ni qué enfoque se le va a dar. No importa, ya tiró “no empecemos con las pelotudeces setentistas”.
Yo sé que, en el fondo, sabés que tiene razón.
:lol:
Se está convirtiendo en un boludo Lanata, y no porque critique a 678 que realmente a veces cansa, sino por las cosas que mencionó Alejo en su post. Debería asesorarlo alguien para que deje de decir tantas pelotudeces porque hay cosas que dice de las que puede arrepentirse en unos años.
Lanata, mal o bien, dice lo que piensa. 678 dice lo que debe decir.
Y, la verdad, rompe las pelotas que te vivan haciendo una campaña en contra todos los días en un programa y que en cualquier marcha K. haya carteles en contra de periodistas.
Es patético.
Sí, eso está fuera de toda duda.
Te juro que me encantaría defenderlo a Lanata, me gustan sus libros, pero últimamente me encuentro con cada cosa de su parte que no puedo creerlo. 678 me parecen 4 o 5 boludos repitiendo un discurso totalmente parcializado a un nivel bastante berreta, pero es como que no espero gran cosa de ellos, más allá de la visibilización de notas ocultas. Pero de Lanata espero más.
Hay algo que me encanta que dice.
"Estara todo el mundo equivocado menos nosotros? Porque desde el exterior se nos cagan de risa
Mientras miraba el video me cagaba de risa y estaba 100% a favor. Después no me gustó lo que dijo de los pibes de las escuelas y sobre la nota de “El País”.
Para mí saltó, explotó. Él sabe muchas cosas de este gobierno, muchas. Y hay muchos informes en su programa al respecto. Podés estar de acuerdo o no pero hace periodismo puro. Informes, chequeo de info, columnas de opinión. Todo.
El resto es para la gilada.
Yo también me cagué de risa mal cuando dijo lo de Barone :mrgreen:
Dudo mucho que en España se estén cagando de risa de nosotros, eh 
Bueno
Para mi es de los pocos que canta la posta, la mayoría de las veces, y eso, es mucho para este país de mierda.
A ver…
2)Quizas exagera pero en el caso de Tognetti algo de razon tiene, el tipo es un pelele en serio, es un muñeco de torta que la va de cool, Duro de Domar es impresentable en la mayoria de sus panelistas, nenes bien de remeras rojas… lamentable. Rabanitos… baratos los rabanitos.
3)Igual de exageradas y tremendistas que las libres asociaciones ideologicas y antojadizos paralelismos de archivo que provienen de los programas de Gvirtz.
4)Es tambien de boludo darle alas a una protesta extremada en las formas, no parece notarse en el alumnado el mismo ahinco en estudiar que en tomar los colegios, y del pozo se sale estudiando.
El dia que 6,7,8 le empiece a pegar a Diego Bonadeo voy a preocuparme un poco mas. Por ahora la estrategia es denostar al que piensa distinto, ridiculizarlo. 678 no es la revolucion de nada, es un programa q esta teniento sus 15 min de fama, la revolucion no se televisa.
Emblematic Jorge Lanata
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By Robert Cox
In 1983, some three years after we were forced out by death threats and two attempted kidnappings following a short spell in a jail that was also a torture centre, I realized that Argentine journalism was coming back to life.
The welcome news came in an unwelcome fashion. A powerful bomb had destroyed the offices of a new magazine, El Porteño, and Gabriel Levinas, the editor, had been warned to close down the magazine or he would be murdered. A reporter received a telephone call telling him not to worry so much about the disappeared, “or the same thing will happen to you.”
The wife of Levinas was not only threatened by phone, she was followed by two Ford Falcons, the cars used by the death squads, while driving her two small daughters home. The two cars rammed into her vehicle in what was probably a kidnapping attempt similar to the experience of my wife three and a half years earlier. But Levinas, his wife and the young staff of El Porteño did not buckle. The magazine came out with a special edition with stories about the disappeared and human rights.
I first heard about El Porteño a few months earlier. Friends told me that a group of young writers and artists had dared to report about the forbidden topic: los desaparecidos. The number of people who had “disappeared” after being taken from their homes by armed men who refused to identify themselves was already known to be in the thousands. The power of the military government was waning and human rights organizations, protected by the United States during the presidency of Jimmy Carter, had come into their own right.
Next I heard about a journalist in his early twenties who had made a name for himself working for El Porteño. His name was Jorge Lanata. Fast forward a few years and I heard about a newspaper with the unusual name, Página/12. Jorge Lanata was a co-founder of that highly original daily newspaper. Over the 30 years I worked in Charleston, South Carolina, for The Post and Courier, the flagship of the media group that owned the Buenos Aires Herald from 1968 to 2008, I heard of Lanata again and again. My youngest daughter Ruth, who returned to Buenos Aires and lived here for a time, was a fan of his. So was my son David, who met Lanata when he produced a television documentary about the desecration of the tomb of Juan Domingo Perón, whose hands were severed from his corpse and stolen. David Cox and
Damian Nabot wrote two books about the grisly crime.
Jorge Lanata has never been far from my thoughts during the quarter century that has passed since Argentina’s return to democracy. He was, and is, for me, emblematic of free and independent journalism. You could tell whether freedom of expression was in good health by his presence or absence from the radio waves and television screens. He showed his independence by walking out of newspapers and leaving television shows that put limits on him. With glee, he says that people say he is unpredictable: “They are scared of us because they don’t know what we’re going to do. And they’re right because I, too, don’t know what I’m going to do.”
It is a good sign that Lanata is back with a regular programme nightly, 9.30 pm to 10.15 pm on (cable) Channel 26. His outspoken, vernacular editorials are like a blast of fresh air in the fetid atmosphere that is choking free expression in the media. Of course, there is a but: his editorials are constantly diced up, not only to serve a particular interest, but also to defame Lanata.
For example, when Lanata was pondering the approach of his 50th birthday he said that he had decided to celebrate by speaking freely, regardless of the consequences. He said that he was fed up with the government harping on about the military dictatorship and human rights to the detriment of issues like poverty, education and child welfare. He said he expected to be reviled for saying that he was sick and tired of hearing about the dictatorship. And, of course he was right. The television show 6,7,8 on state-run Channel 7 ran repetitive clips of Lanata saying he was fed up with hearing about the military dictatorship. The idea was to trick viewers into believing that Lanata had sold out. He expected as much: “They’ll say that I have been bought by the milicos. (Now I’m) Colonel Lanata.”
At the same time that he was being defamed by the pro-government media, anti-government media and bloggers were using Lanata in an equally defamatory attempt to claim him, subtly, for themselves by giving the impression that he wants everyone to forget the past. My reaction after viewing the You Tube video I was sent by e-mail was outrage. Lanata ends his editorial by quoting the words on a piece of paper pinned to a corkboard in his office: “Freedom exists when you can say to other people what they do not want to hear.”
The problem with that is that the motive behind the wide distribution of Lanata’s statement that he is fed up with hearing about the dictatorship is that many people who are opposed to the government are already saying just that. In effect he was using his freedom to say what a great many people WANT to hear, not what they DON’T WANT to hear.
Lanata is not one-sided as the video clip appeared to suggest. Totally by chance, a few days after seeing Lanata on the video, Silvina, a friend of my daughter Ruth, invited my wife and me to hear Lanata at the Colegio Marín in San Isidro. It was billed as “Charlando con Jorge Lanata” and it was, indeed, a conversation, spontaneous and warm-hearted, between Lanata and several hundred people who filled the auditorium to overflowing. For more than two hours he talked, answered questions and listened to members of the audience who joined in the conversation. His generosity in giving so much of his time to a community event was rewarded because he was able to talk freely, telling some in the audience who came in the hope of hearing Lanata dismiss the appalling crimes of the military what they didn’t want to hear.
He took pains to explain the juridical difference between terrorism and state terrorism and then spoke from experience. He covered the historic trial of Videla, Massera and Agosti and the other former members of the military juntas and has continued to report on the horrors that continue to be unveiled by the current trials. Then he spoke from experience and from then heart. What the military did, he said, was so terrible that the crimes of the Montoneros and other groups that took up arms and carried out acts of terror have been overshadowed. I was left in doubt about where Lanata stands. He stands on the side of democracy. Hence, it was appropriate for me to ask the question that nags at me night and day: “Is democracy in peril? I asked him. “In other words are Cristina and Nestor Kirchner democratic?
He said that he did not think that democracy is in danger, gave the President and the ex-president the benefit of the doubt while noting that the government is authoritarian.
The message that emerged for me was that fight between the government and Clarín/La Nación is over power and money. The struggle to advance democracy and freedom will be long and difficult. As a result we could see freedom limited by the advance of the state in communications and in the media if they manage to crush or cripple our flawed but relatively free semi-independent press.
- ¿Qué le pasó a Robert Cox?
…y cabito…quien carajo es cabito?
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no se porque se molesta en contestarle a un programa q hace informes como " charly estaba mejor antes", " se juega como se vive", e inventa charlas con De la rua, solo para hacerlo mierda ( ni hacia falta 
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