La unión civil prevee que compartan la obra social, pero no dice nada acerca de la herencia en caso del fallecimiento de uno. Teóricamente esa es la atribución que se amplía con esta ley, aparte del alcance nacional.
Respecto a la adopción, ya es bastante complicada para un matrimonio heterosexual. Lo más probable es que sea postergados y sean los que adopten niños mayores de un año o discapacitados, es decir, aquellos niños que las parejas heterosexuales rechazan
Ah! Ok.
Bueno, yo estoy en contra del Matrimonio gay que involucre adopción. Estoy a favor de una Unión Civil.
Si alguna vez un estudio Psicológico me demuestra con 100% de certeza y sobre muchísimos casos, que no hay riesgo pra el nene, pues entonces, comenzamos a discutirlo. Hasta tanto me aseguren que no hay ningún tipo de perjuicio para el nene, mi voto es negativo. Es al NENE al que hya que proteger, y luego al resto. Ellos son el futuro de la Sociedad…
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Muchas personas se oponen tambien al matrimonio
es complicado para los que tenemos formada en la cabeza una idea de familia de padre y madre con los hijos…
para un griego era imposible imaginar una familia que no tuviera madre, padre y esclavos… son construcciones sociales…
Yo no estoy a favor de la adopción, pero tampoco de lo que vos planteás.
Mediante estudios también podría demostrarse que un hijo biológico tiene riesgo de ser golpeado, violado, abandonado por sus padres heterosexuales.
No es que esté diciendo que un matrimonio homosexual sea mejor que uno heterosexual, de hecho te repito, creo que en igualdad de condiciones la prioridad para adoptar un chico debería tenerla una pareja heterosexual. Pero eso de los estudios me parece que no tiene mucho sentido.
Puse un estudio como para mencionar algo que me de certeza de que el infante no esté, a priori, más propenso a padecimientos psicológicos. Obvio que nadie te puede asegurar nada…
Misma respuesta que para Alejo. Matrimonio involucra la adopción.
Si querés decir que muchos también se oponen a la Unión Civil, esos son, claramente, los menos.-
claro… pero vivimos en esta sociedad, con todo lo que ella implica… una vez estuve mucho tiempo de novio con una chica que era hija de madre soltera, y siempre me decía que sufría horrores cuando se acercaba el día del padre… quizás en otra sociedad no lo hubiese padecido tanto, pero en esta sociedad, con estas estructuras, si…
entonces las construcciones son algo eterno que no se puede cambiar??
porque el probelma es social, mantenemos la sociedad enferma pero no permitimos lo que reconocemos que no es el problema?
Hay estudios. En EEUU por ejemplo, las organizaciones de psicologos/medicos/etc estan casi unanimemente a favor de la adopcion por parte de parejas del mismo sexo. A mi con saber eso me basta (no me puse a revisar los estudios), pero los estudios hechos por esas organizaciones existen.
The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association and National Association of Social Workers stated in an Amicus curiae brief presented to the Supreme Court of the State of California in 2006: Although it is sometimes asserted in policy debates that heterosexual couples are inherently better parents than same-sex couples, or that the children of lesbian or gay parents fare worse than children raised by heterosexual parents, those assertions find no support in the scientific research literature. When comparing the outcomes of different forms of parenting, it is critically important to make appropriate comparisons. For example, differences resulting from the number of parents in a household cannot be attributed to the parents’ gender or sexual orientation. Research in households with heterosexual parents generally indicates that – all else being equal – children do better with two parenting figures rather than just one. The specific research studies typically cited in this regard do not address parents’ sexual orientation, however, and therefore do not permit any conclusions to be drawn about the consequences of having heterosexual versus nonheterosexual parents, or two parents who are of the same versus different genders. Indeed, the scientific research that has directly compared outcomes for children with gay and lesbian parents with outcomes for children with heterosexual parents has been remarkably consistent in showing that lesbian and gay parents are every bit as fit and capable as heterosexual parents, and their children are as psychologically healthy and well-adjusted as children reared by heterosexual parents. Amici emphasize that the abilities of gay and lesbian persons as parents and the positive outcomes for their children are not areas where credible scientific researchers disagree. Statements by the leading associations of experts in this area reflect professional consensus that children raised by lesbian or gay parents do not differ in any important respects from those raised by heterosexual parents. No credible empirical research suggests otherwise. Allowing same-sex couples to legally marry will not have any detrimental effect on children raised in heterosexual households, but it will benefit children being raised by same-sex couples.[23]
The American Academy of Pediatrics stated in Pediatrics in 2006: “There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and any measure of a child’s emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families.”[24]
Gregory M. Herek noted in The American Psychologist in 2006: Despite considerable variation in the quality of their samples, research design, measurement methods, and data analysis techniques, the findings to date have been remarkably consistent. Empirical research to date has consistently failed to find linkages between children’s well-being and the sexual orientation of their parents. If gay, lesbian, or bisexual parents were inherently less capable than otherwise comparable heterosexual parents, their children would evidence problems regardless of the type of sample. This pattern clearly has not been observed. Given the consistent failures in this research literature to disprove the null hypothesis, the burden of empirical proof is on those who argue that the children of sexual minority parents fare worse than the children of heterosexual parents.[25]
The Canadian Psychological Association stated in 2004 and 2006: Beliefs that gay and lesbian adults are not fit parents, or that the psychosocial development of the children of gay and lesbian parents is compromised, have no basis in science. Our position is based on a review representing approximately 50 empirical studies and at least another 50 articles and book chapters and does not rest on the results of any one study.[26] According to Herek’s extensive review of the literature in 2006, the research on which opponents to marriage of same-sex couples rely, look at the functioning of children in intact families with heterosexual parents compared to those children raised by a single parent following divorce or death of a spouse. They do not include studies that compare the functioning of children raised by heterosexual couples with the functioning of children raised by same-sex couples. In this group of studies, any differences observed are more accurately attributable to the effects of death or divorce, and/or to the effects of living with a single parent, rather than to parents’ sexual orientation. These studies do not tell us that the children of same-sex parents in an intact relationship fair worse than the children of opposite-sex parents in an intact relationship. A review of the psychological research into the well-being of children raised by same-sex and opposite-sex parents continues to indicate that there are no reliable differences in their mental health or social adjustment and that lesbian mothers and gay fathers are not less fit as parents than are their heterosexual counterparts. The CPA recognizes and appreciates that persons and institutions are entitled to their opinions and positions on this issue. However, CPA is concerned that some are mis-interpreting the findings of psychological research to support their positions, when their positions are more accurately based on other systems of belief or values.[27]
The Department of Justice (Canada)'s study stated in 2006: Although there are still gaps in our accumulated knowledge, the current literature is strong enough to provide reliable answers to whe question of whether children’s social competence varies across family types, and if so, why. The strongest conclusion that can be drawn from the empirical literature is that the vast majority of studies show that children living with two mothers and children living with a mother and father have the same levels and qualities of social competence. A few studies suggest that children with two lesbian mothers may have marginally better social competence than children in ‘traditional nuclear’ families, even fewer studies show the opposite, and most studies fail to find any differences. The very limited body of research on children with two gay fathers supports this same conclusion. We can tentatively suggest that children with two fathers do not seem to differ in social competence from children with a mother and father, although more resarch on the families of gay fathers clearly is needed. Given the currently available literature , an objective evaluation of empirical research supports only one conclusion: Whether a child’s two parents are heterosexual or lesbian or gay has no significant discernable impact on that child’s social competence.[28]
A literature review prepared for the Australian Psychological Society noted in 2007: The family studies literature indicates that it is family processes (such as the quality of parenting and relationships within the family) that contribute to determining children’s wellbeing and ‘outcomes’, rather than family structures, per se, such as the number, gender, sexuality and co-habitation status of parents. The research indicates that parenting practices and children’s outcomes in families parented by lesbian and gay parents are likely to be at least as favourable as those in families of heterosexual parents, despite the reality that considerable legal discrimination and inequity remain significant challenges for these families.[29]
(Y eso es solo en norteamerica, hay muchisimas otras fuentes europeas con la misma conclusion.)
pero un chico tiene que comenzar a cambiar esto? vos decis: “hay que cambiar esto”… y de la noche a la mañana una pareja homosexual adopta a un niño que está por comenzar a ir a primer grado… vos pensas que esa criatura está preparado para enfrentar esa situacion porque una ley lo diga nada mas?
Ese pibe no tiene ni padre ni madre…va a recibir el cariño que le falta, va a vivir en un hogar, va a poder alimentarse, ir al colegio, tener un futuro…
por algun lado hay que empezar… y va a ser como era al principio con hijos de padres separados… alguien lo ve mal ahora?? no… hace falta que te diga que mi abuela se escandaliza cuando algun nieto esta con alguien cuyos padres estan separados??
no te niego eso, pero tambien es innegable que hay una situacion social que seguramente no va a ser aceptaba por una gran mayoría de sus mismos pares, que son en definitiva con quienes esa criatura va a convivir a diario tambien… si está bien o está mal no es el punto… el punto es como pueda repercutir eso en la cabeza del niño, seguramente para mal
Los hijos de villeros sufren discriminacion (y seguramente mucho peor). Les prohibimos tener hijos?
Estás proyectando demasiado Luis, es un argumento bastante débil a mi entender. Además no necesariamente tiene que ser así. Y si así fuera es mejor que tengan contención familiar, cariño y un plato de comida antes que esté en la calle.
mmm… pero no estoy hablando de los derechos que puedan o no tener los adultos sino de lo que pueda afectar sicològicamente a un niño… está mal que se discrimine, no hay dudas de eso… pero por eso mismo, yo creo que lo menos que se debería hacer, es exponerlos a eso.
no estoy proyectando demasiado, para nada… todos los dias voy al colegio de mis hijos y veo como se comportan, trato de escuchar lo que hablan, por eso hablo sobre lo que me parece… términos como “soy rubio”, “negrito”, “Juan es mas oscuro que Pedrito”, “andá a juntarte con tu amiguito el gay” son bastante comunes en charlas de ellos
estoy hablando de niños de 6 a 12 años mas o menos…
tambien era comun que se discrimine a los que eran hijos de padres divorciados…
Si, te estoy respondiendo justamente a eso.
Osea vos decis que la discriminacion a los hijos de homosexuales los afecta psicologicamente de forma negativa y por lo tanto no tienen que poder adoptar. Y yo te digo que los hijos de villeros sufren la misma discriminacion. A menos que no haya entendido lo que dijiste, la conclusion logica seria que los villeros no deberian poder tener hijos.
a mi me parece exponer a un niño a una situacion que se puede evitar…
la conclusion lógica sería que se debería tender a erradicar las villas de emergencia, mejorar la calidad de vida de la gente porque sino eso deriva en exclusion social, discriminacion…
a lo que voy es que socialmente estamos a años luz de ser una sociedad que acepte este tipo de cosas, me parece a mi… está bien: sin dudas hay que luchar contra eso, pero no me parece una medida “ideal” exponer a niños de esa forma mientras tanto
La conclusión también sería que no tendría que haber chicos para adoptar…pero no es lo que pasa. Los chicos están.